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The Russian/Ukrainian Civil War
The Russian/Ukrainian Civil WarPosted by SpagsUnfiltered on November 16, 2022 at 2:32 pm
Ok, so bare with me here. While I can get a bit tin-foily from time to time, I truly try not to go down the conspiracy trail unless I feel there is a good reason.
The Russian Civil War that has been going on since 2014….and really popped off this past February…does anyone else feel that while some skirmishing is happening, that maybe the greater war we are shown on TV here is being shot on sound stages and large outdoor sets?
Here me out:
1. Vietnam, Desert Storm, Iraq, Afghanistan: all reported on in great detail from embedded reporters. Live coverage, shocking footage, new footage, all media outlets talking about it from multiple points of view for YEARS, arguments on the war etc. COMPARED too Russian Civil War. No embedded reporters, limited coverage in the media, no fresh footage, lots of recycled footage from 2014 being passed off as new stuff, opposing views on the war are being silenced and canceled.
2. Zelenski and his wife are actors. Used to be TV and movie stars in Ukraine prior to being installed as a puppet country of the US. Ukraine is a country where we have a lot of US money laundering, human trafficking, Bitcoin mining, and is a place that the Democrats have an unhealthy fascination with. Kerry, Clinton, Obama, Biden (all the Bidens) etc.
3. The US tried to install a transition government that included a known Neo Nazi in power in 2014. Leaked audio of then Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland speaking to U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt about the make-up of the Ukrainian government as the Obama administration wanted it to be. In the audio, Nuland and Pyatt are heard discussing strategies to work with the three main opposition figures: Klitschko, Arseny Yatseniuk, former Ukrainian economy minister, and Oleh Tyahnybok, the far-right nationalist opposition leader.
We know from the past that the US never shies away from showing war footage to try to manipulate the US population for or against certain conflicts. Yet this war seems very different. And with the constant threat of dirty bombs, nukes and doomsday torpedoes is constantly being shoved down our throats; this war is also being used to talk about climate change, gay rights and Trump.
It all just seems very staged and odd to me. As a 16 year veteran of the Army, and 8 year former Congressional worker that dealt specifically with State Department issues, my spidey senses are tingling on this. I fear it is being used as the second largest PSYOP ever (second to the lie of COVID).
What are your opinions? Again, let’s have a productive conversation. We all have different points of view and opinions, and since none of us get paid to talk about them…they are all equally worthless….hahahaha.
MemberNovember 16, 2022 at 3:04 pm
I find this very believable as this has been my understanding from the get-go.
Community LeaderNovember 16, 2022 at 3:15 pm
It’s so hard to believe anything anymore. The media has truly become a juggernaut of lies.
MemberNovember 16, 2022 at 4:37 pm
You are on right on track they play both sides and it is very hard to trust any story at this point
Community LeaderNovember 16, 2022 at 5:30 pm
It’s so bad, we can’t even trust our own eyes anymore. We don’t know what we are seeing.
I agree I have been into researching this for over a decade and You have to dig into the rabbit hole deep even if things upset or you do not wanna believe in what your seeing Though I do feel part of the game is make the lie as big as possible so I would assume that the rabbit hole is based truth with lies as well. If you fear it you do not want to deal with it and fear is their big advantage and even down to history and maps it has many issues and things just do not add up. I’m just now studying on this you can’t tell people things they can not except It’s been an emotional ride for sure and it is a very lonely place to be but there is always hope 👍
MemberNovember 16, 2022 at 10:22 pm
Pretty accurate but I have heard various reports that Putin is trying to keep NATO from expanding to its border. To be honest I don’t know what to believe. I usually ask this quest question: Does this affect my family or I directly? If yes, how and can I change it. If no to the question I move on with my self reliance and self sustaining plans.
- This reply was modified 10 months, 1 week ago by FreeMan06211788.
Community LeaderNovember 16, 2022 at 10:33 pm
I agree that Putin likely is not the aggressor in this. I too feel he is acting in Russia’s best interest against NATO/US incursion. (That’s not saying I like Putin. Guy is former KGB and that makes him bad.) But the western spin on this is very noticeable.
I think the Russia/Ukraine thing is worth keeping an eye on as a NATO/Russia could easily spill over here. Will it? Who knows. But if it dies a certain aspect of my prepper pie chart starts to matter more.
MemberNovember 16, 2022 at 11:52 pm
@SpagsUnfiltered Yea it seems the US is trying to start another war because wars make money. I do believe all that money sent to Ukraine is ending back into Zelenskyy and our politicians pockets. Like a twig under severe strain it will eventually snap. That’s when SHTF and crazy stuff starts happening.
- This reply was modified 10 months, 1 week ago by FreeMan06211788.
Community LeaderNovember 16, 2022 at 11:57 pm
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 4:23 pm
Who is the person that invaded, or was it military operations in Ukraine? Is that not the same person that is responsible and the aggressor?
If we agree or not with nato, what p did was crossing the border and started the war. Everything is so wrong, the most dangerous animals are humans. Sorry I should not write such things.
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 4:35 pm
No your right on about humans but isn’t that what free will is all about too ?
From what I understand is that the Ukraine has been in and out of civil war since 2014 or with Russia ?
I have watched where people living there say they work to pay for their heat and food and that is about it as far as living ? And that moving NATO ? or any ground bases weapons etc. was against their agreement with Russia and so it is saving its boarders. Any country would do so but I sure do not Trust a leader who is an ex KGB either.
Correct me if I’m wrong on this info
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 5:11 pm
Keeping your word and promise like a man, is such a thing who is a honorable man this modern time? Trusting and believing lying is like a new normal, thinking for your self is lost.
However we describe all the mess, does not change the facts. History repeats over again, people just do not lurn. Do not get what or the way they want, want more or all, start a fight even a war over it. Justify it how it seems fitting, still taking land is stealing land. Trying to take over a country, does not give you the right to call it take back a country. If so would there be a Europe or a drittes reich, would I be here or just destroyed like my family.
It is not like playing chess or risk, this is for real that some people are just plain evil and do evil things. We must remain humans and fallow God, praying and doing good.
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 7:29 pm
I was not saying anything was easy or a game I was just trying to remember what they have been in conflict for a long time about. I was not trying to offend you or make light out of any of it stating facts I know is not me trying to justify anything one way or the other.
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 8:23 pm
I was just giving my thoughts, nothing personal because of your writing sorry for the misunderstanding.
Please correct me anyone if I am wrong, but give a very short version.
Mikhail Gorbachev was ending the cold war, giving countries like Ukraine their “freedom” back Soviet Union Became Russia. Ukraine chose democratic freedom, civilian gave there life for that freedom.
P did not like all that happened and was going on, losing control over Ukraine like he still has over Byelarussian. The Krimm was taking back in a sneaky way and than the special operation the war, Byelarussian tried to get their freedom back like Ukraine, but it ended different and supporting p. The civilian stand no chance and have no saying.
It does not help p was feeling cornered by Europe and nato.
Wish you all a good night rest, so tired must go to sleep now. Please excuse me, if my writing is giving more questions than answers.
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 8:40 pm
No problem I understand and your right that is what I could not remember there is so much info between real and unreal to take in sometimes I can not keep up with it all
Community LeaderNovember 18, 2022 at 3:42 pm
The Ukraine conflict is not as simple as “Putin invaded Ukraine”. In fact the parts of Ukraine that were annexed by Putin wanted by the majority to return to the Russian Federation. After 2014, the Ukrainian government turned off the water and power to Crimea. This is part of what led up to the invasion by Putin. His people were being deprived of running water and electricity by the Ukrainian government as a means to get them to lose their allegiance to Russia.
This war also is older than even 2014. That’s when the fighting started, but the civil conflict goes back to 1990. The history of Russia and Ukraine is very complex and far more involved than just calling one side or the other bad. It is a case study in why the state itself is immoral and how it uses influence to damage people.
Putin is not the good guy, but he certainly isn’t the initiating aggressor. The US, NATO and Zelenski are the initiating aggressor. Part of how Reagan and Gorbachev ended the Cold War was agreeing that NATO would not advace further east and Russia would not advance into the Middle East. This agreement was held up by Russia. But NATO violated those original agreements almost every year to the point of including Turky and the Baltic states.
In all fairness, Russia is reacting to NATO aggression that easily could have been staved off. But the old war hawks from the Cold War era really want this war with Russia. So they have done everything they can to make it happen.
Invasion is never moral, but is can certainly be understood.
Did you all know that the first nation to call President Bush after 9-11 to offer help in destroying Muslim extremism was Russia? Russia wanted very much to become our ally against the surge of Muslim extremism. Guess who the second country to offer help to us was? Iraq. Saddam was a secular leader and hated Suni extremism too. So what does the US do when we receive offers of help to deal with bad people? We go to war with the people offering help. Very odd indeed.
None of these leaders are moral or just. But the fact remains that this war with Russia was 100% avoidable. But the NWO had other plans. So now we all suffer.
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 6:03 pm
That is why my short version, but do we know the truth or are they just telling us lies to justify the invasion and stealing Ukraine back?
MemberNovember 19, 2022 at 3:32 pm
I agree with this summary completely. Fits with everything I’ve researched.
MemberNovember 16, 2022 at 11:30 pm
Africa has a saying: “When elephants fight, only the ground gets hurt.” So then, it would seem that the usa picked a fight with russia on ukraine soil and the ukraineans are the only ones that are likely to really suffer in the end.
Community LeaderNovember 17, 2022 at 12:19 am
Well, there are troops from at least 10 countries there right now fighting.
Heck ISIS has been hired by both Ukraine and the US to fight Russia FFS. Iran, US, British, NK, SK, Chechnyians, Belarusian and other troops are there right now.
So I’m sure there will be widows to spare.
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 2:54 am
This African song makes me crack up every time i hear it.
“In heaven there is no beer, that’s why we take it here.
When we go from here, our friends will drink our beer.”
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 2:17 am
Thank you all who served our country.
Look at the tech we are allowed to see vs the advanced tech still in hiding. Deep fakes and green screens are accessible to the common man…..Probably downloaded for free thru some torrent website.
For example, an older obsolete tech is bone conduction hearing, this is decades old. Most of you are probably familiar with this particular technology and the implications of how it works are quite fascinating. This tech shows you that, what you hear might not potentially be reality.
I myself like to converse, but there are things that have personally ran across my path seen with my own 2 eyes……would not dare speak of. Most people probably would blow a gasket.
My point is this, unless you have a soldier sitting in front of you recounting the battle of Kherson……The internet and level of manipulation available can make a person believe just about anything….IF they do not gather outside sources of information from multiple directions. People gather info from the internet and sources proven unworthy to trust.
This is a valid concern whether or not we the people are even seeing a sliver of truth on the subject.
In my opinion, we are being fed a lot on nonsense regardless. What I do not want to take lightly, is the loss of life in Ukraine. People are unnecessarily dying, that much is certain.
“War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always an evil, never a good. We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each other’s children.”
– Jimmy Carter
Community LeaderNovember 17, 2022 at 2:54 pm
Yes. The loss of life is astounding. Even if it’s different than what we are told, it’s still immoral and inexcusable just so the elite can move some money around in different accounts.
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 2:50 am
I would also like to note that the presidents of Latvia and Lithuania have chimed in regarding the rogue missile strike on the Polish grain processing plant…..(another food plant attacked??? go figure).
There’s 3 countries (Latvia, Lithuania (minus a small shared border with Poland), and Estonia) above Belarus that become landlocked if Ukraine loses to Russia and the intel circle of those countries know this. This is why a missile landing in Poland was so important to investigate who dun it. It provides the potential for Russia to force old USSR countries to become incorporated thru economic warfare such as tariffs and blocking land import / exports. This would cripple those countries to the point of being forced to join or suffer severe hardship under the iron fist of Russia’s USSR V2.0.
It is the same maneuver we currently see in between the Caspian and Black Sea between 3 countries (Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia). From what little intel received Azerbaijan and Armenia had a skirmish in September and a few 100 soldiers died. Not sure what is going on over there currently, but if those 3 countries start to fight, you can guarantee it is to consolidate land borders between those 2 water barriers. It’s basic topographical warfare before going into an all out war and Russia would be the instigator of those countries going to war because no one else benefits.
Russia feels threatened in the way it’s border currently sits, there is too many entry points and exits for foreign troops to invade. 800 mile long border between Russia and Finland. This makes world domination impossible with the way things currently sit. China knows this also, which is why they are on board but sit quietly as to not interfere. China gets no bad publicity but all the benefit of wearing down it’s biggest adversary, the USA.
Meanwhile, Potato in Chief has shelled our oil resources, sent defensive materials needed to defend our homeland to support a foreign war, openly extorting money out of a currently war riddled country using his son as a payment proxy, colluding with USA’s biggest adversary, ignored the border crisis, the food processing plant explosion crisis, the farmer cost of production crisis, trucker crisis, cost of living crisis, manufacturing crisis, and promoted Antifa by saying they are “only an idea”.
Anyone remember when Antifa.com went directly to the Joe Biden campaign website? WTF……
Instead of promoting MAGA, why are the people not promoting prosecution of war crimes and treasonous politicians?
Community LeaderNovember 17, 2022 at 2:57 pm
I believe that MAGA and the Trump phenomenon is a left wing psyop. And it’s working. the GOP is split and unable to pull off a midterm upset against the left. Conservatives are finding themselves fighting themselves instead of the left.
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 7:01 am
Redacted is good and I love The Last Jacobite’s .
Community LeaderNovember 17, 2022 at 2:52 pm
Yep. Redacted is good.
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 2:38 pm
I’ve yet to hear a compelling argument for USA involvement in that p!$$ing contest. It’s a Europe problem. I don’t care if we diplomatically cheer them on, but I see no reason to spend a single US dollar or drop of American blood on it.
I’ve heard the conspiracy theory that the dems are being blackmailed to defend Ukraine to keep Zelensky/Ukraine from revealing USA political corruption and money laundering.
If Zelensky were blackmailing the USA with evidence that could actually cause any significant political damage and not be plausibly refuted or covered up, I think he would quickly be dead and replaced with someone who will “play ball”.
The only real reason we are involved that makes sense to me is that both the Dems and GOP stand to benefit from it. And if it is corruption and money laundering, then I believe they are more concerned with *LOSING* the capability that Ukraine facilitates, more than they are scared of it being revealed. So I think they are simply protecting that “revenue stream”.
Community LeaderNovember 17, 2022 at 2:43 pm
Honestly I agree with this. The thing is that whether it’s a left wing or right-wing conspiracy, it’s bad. And frankly there is no left or right anymore. Just two cheeks to the same ass, and what comes out the middle isn’t good for anyone.
Ukraine has long been a proxy nation for NATO and the US, just like Iran and Syria are proxies for Russia. We use Ukraine to skirt international law and to hedge our bets against Russia by putting a non NATO nation in-between NATO and Russia.
The entire thing stinks and we shouldn’t be poking around in it. But, since we literally own Ukraine, we will.
MemberNovember 17, 2022 at 10:53 pm
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 4:24 am
Putin has said , and demonstrated through action, that he is anti Soros’, WEF, new world order, lgbtq agendas, nazis, cultural rot, lying to his people and more. Interestingly enough, these are all things celebrated, encouraged and done by American politicians. The enemy of your enemy is your friend.
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 1:28 pm
“The enemy of your enemy is your friend.” This is a valid point, but is it the truth in this scenario?
I think the USA politicians are bought and paid for by some of the worst human beings on the planet. There are few uber-wealthy that fight for the good side, mostly because it is an uphill battle.
Russia and China are in lock step and will be for an unforeseen amount of time.
After knowing of all the atrocities done to the Uyghur peoples in North West China, and knowing that a world dominated by China would bring that to your front door, would you welcome them with open arms to greet your children?
Make no mistake, what is happening to western culture is unrestricted warfare brought to you by communist subversion strategy. The reason you don’t see the cancer in communist societies is because it was intended for your children……Not theirs.
The way to win these mind games is not buy their bullsh!t in the 1st place and take back western civilization so the virtues it once thrived upon can be cherished and improved.
- This reply was modified 10 months, 1 week ago by Mud.
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 1:32 pm
This is Yuri Bezmenov in 1984 (ex-KGB) describing exactly the subversion strategies we see today. Now it has become so obvious it is impossible to deny.
Community LeaderNovember 18, 2022 at 5:00 pm
@DaveDanger we thought that about Stalin and look where that got us.
Enemy of my enemy is usually not my friend. Usually they are waring parties out for themselves. A momentary aligning of ideology does not a friend make. Of course Putin doesn’t like those things. They destroy culture. But wanting to maintain his culture over those things doesn’t make him or his culture good or friendly.
Only a fool would befriend the KGB. Same fools that let the Communists take Berlin.
MemberNovember 19, 2022 at 12:55 pm
“The enemy of my enemy is my friend”…..
Sounds plausible on the surface, but that is exactly how a bunch of socio-commie aholes who would have just been annoying outliers with some followers became heads of state. Roosevelt (closet commie) and Churchill did everything they could to equip anyone who said they would fight the Axis powers. Most of them did just enough to keep the goodies rolling in and cached most of it for use after the war ended. When it did end the revolutions began and we had another 30+ years of high to low intensity fighting that cost a bunch of that generation’s lives. Consequences.
Community LeaderNovember 19, 2022 at 2:30 pm
Yes, the US and her entangling alliances and horrible decisions on how to “make friends” has been exactly what has bit us in the ass time and time again.
Unless you share my actual world view (or a reasonably close version of it) on key topics: the free market over communism, freedom over tyranny, individualism over collectivism and things like that…you will NEVER be my true friend. As such, I will never find myself in a fox hole with you.
Thats the same short-sighted shit that got us here to begin with.
MemberNovember 19, 2022 at 2:49 pm
Friends vs Partners.
MemberNovember 19, 2022 at 3:46 pm
The USA prints money and sends it to countries as humanitarian packages that do nothing humanitarian.
3rd world countries become dependent on our “gifts”, worst part is that the money goes down the toilet instead of actually creating beneficial systems for the country’s people (It’s original intention). The USA govt doesn’t require proper oversight and doesn’t care where it goes (in their own pockets most likely). So disgusting….
The USA tries to buy friendship…with money. I would say that is the 2nd worse method besides #1 being brute force. Bullying someone into a pseudo-friendship is equally as destructive.
This is how someone ends up with an angry bitter ex-wife when the money they were promised stops flowing during the marriage. All you end up with in the end is a greedy enemy.
MemberDecember 6, 2022 at 8:26 pm
Exactly and all conflicts are power $$$ oriented. Just so happens the current admin is heavily involved with the Ukrainian gov. And has been for many years. Also the Russian gov is equally involved as is China and the oil countries. I’m beginning to think they are all in it together and human lives are of no consequence to them just ridding themselves of them and creating a more controlled atmosphere. Media is controlled by them. All IMHO
MemberNovember 20, 2022 at 6:09 am
I think you may be on to something.. Sounds very Plausible.
Community LeaderNovember 16, 2022 at 3:17 pm
Especially since both side use identical equipment. Like how hard would it really be for the Ukrainian forces to lose a tank, then rush back over to it a day later, paint a “Z” on it and pose for a picture that becomes a thumbnail for some bogus The Sun video on YT?
Community LeaderNovember 16, 2022 at 5:31 pm
Thank you for the link. I’ll give it a watch!
Community LeaderNovember 16, 2022 at 6:27 pm
I actually really really like Redacted! It’s a very good source IMO.
I certainly will! Thank you!
I’ll give it a shot. Thank you for posting.
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 4:21 pm
Well, it’s my opinion of what is being fed to western society today. I myself can be humbly wrong about this but western society is being fed quite a bit of evil. I’m not trying to offend anyone, just saying it’s currently an uphill battle.
This is not what I wanted, I fight for good in what meager ways I can. Goodness always prevails.
I’ll just do my best to keep my negative opinions to myself from now on.
Community LeaderNovember 18, 2022 at 5:39 pm
There is no difference. This is why, as a libertarian anarchist, I can call out the US government for its sins and Putin for his sins. I can see the bad on both sides, and when you don’t have a political side to defend, life becomes much better. Things make more sense, you can see the PSYOP everywhere and you don’t get pushed into a corner to take sides with evil.
I prefer to live free from the evil of both our nation and theirs. I prefer to call out the mess on both sides. I prefer to not take sides if it means that I’d have to pick the “lesser or two evils”. A choice for the lesser evil is still a choice for evil.
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 6:59 pm
@SpagsUnfiltered People often don’t understand me for finding fault where it lies. I agree with you. Evil is evil and the republicans, democrats, and independents are all equally corrupt. The founding fathers wanted the smallest governing body as possible and the slow growth to the mammoth size gubment we have now is knocking on freedoms door and saying “Bitch get the hell out of my way”!
Community LeaderNovember 18, 2022 at 7:23 pm
Putin, GB, even Bill Gates and that German cross dressing old goon are not the tip of the pyramid I’d bet. I think the ancient royal bloodlines are probably so cloaked it would take more digging than a dinosaur excavation to figure it out.
MemberNovember 18, 2022 at 7:31 pm
I think there are lots of Wizards behind the curtain
Community LeaderNovember 18, 2022 at 7:24 pm
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MemberNovember 19, 2022 at 12:22 am
I dug these up a while back. LARP or not, they’re certainly thought-provoking.
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