[gods-child]

careful what type of fence you choose as from experience with a pet rabbit they can climb chain-link style fence about three [3] foot high

what worked best was a cage and netting

either way with fence cage or netting dig down around the perimeter about a foot deep and two [2] feet out and place wire netting in an L shape to prevent rabbits and other mammals digging under the fence cage or netting

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[gods-child]

here is a way with break-down of costs over twenty [20] years to save a fortune on batteries and reduce the solar set-up costs

food for thought

12v lead-acid and gel batteries can also be purchased for a fraction of the price of lithium and most folk do not know they can go to vehicle breaker yards also known as scrap yards and get vehicle batteries for a fraction of the cost of a new battery

and you may also save costs on other things such as cables and connectors switches lights fuses and more plus there could be other things and bargains to help save money for your homestead or mobile-home and-such

for example

where i live i can get second-hand 12v vehicle batteries anywhere from £10 ~ £40 each whereas one [1] new lead-acid battery starts at around £90 for a 60ah ~ 70ah wheres the higher the [ah] the higher the price

thereby if you purchase second-hand 12v vehicle batteries you would be saving them going in the landfill and saving lots of money

and

looking at the high and low price scale for 12v second-hand vehicle batteries

lets calculate costs for a single battery

if second-hand only last five [5] years you can weigh them in get a few bob back or could likely do a swap for a good second-hand battery from the breakers yards or scrap yards or even second-hand vehicle dealers

£40 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £160 v £4,000 a massive saving of £3,840

£10 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £40 v £4,000 a massive saving of £3,960

the batteries may last longer as i have seen some folk that claim they are still using their 12v vehicle lead-acid batteries nine [9] years on

£40 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £80 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,920

£10 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £20 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,980

lets calculate costs for a battery-bank of ten [10] batteries

£40 10x is equal to £400 v £10,000 a massive saving of £9,600

£10 10x is equal to £100 v £10,000 a massive saving of £9,900

£400 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £1,600 v £40,000 a massive saving of £38,400

£100 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £400 v £40,000 a massive saving of £39,600

£400 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £800 v £20,000 a massive saving of £19,200

£100 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £200 v £20,000 a massive saving of £19,800

lest calculate a new lower end lead-acid 60ah ~ 70ah battery at an average £90 each

£90 is equal to £1,000 a massive saving of £910

£90 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £360 v £4,000 a massive saving of £3,640

£90 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £180 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,820

lest calculate a new lower end [ah] lead-acid 60ah ~ 70ah battery at an average £90 each for a battery bank of ten [10]

£90 10x is equal to £900 v £10,000 a massive saving of £9,100

£900 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £3,600 v £40,000 a massive saving of £36,400

£900 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £1,800 v £20,000 a massive saving of £18,200

lets calculate a 240ah new leisure battery at average price of £390

£390 is equal to £390 v £1,000 a massive saving of £610

£390 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £1,560 v £4,000 a massive saving of £2,440

£390 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £780 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,220

lets calculate a 240ah new leisure battery at average price of £390 for a battery bank of ten [10]

£3,900 is equal to £3,900 v £10,000 a massive saving of £6,100

£3,900 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £15,600 v £40,000 a massive saving of £24,400

£3,900 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £7,800 v £20,000 a massive saving of £12,200

the costs will vary for area to area country to country thus this is only a guide based on my sources and first hand knowledge

also cheaper quicker more environmentally friendly to replace for most and makes connections with those in breakers yards or scrap yards or even second-hand vehicle dealers

for those in remote areas you may be able to purchase online on places like ebay and have them shipped to you

open for discussion

does this make sense to you or do you have a different point of view…??

p.s

if my calculations are off please correct me as i am not good with math

bona-fide

[gods-child]

many folk are going to solar power yet finding the expense of the lithium batteries off-putting at the very least

here is a way with break-down of costs over twenty [20] years to save a fortune on batteries and reduce the solar set-up costs

food for thought

12v lead-acid and gel batteries can also be purchased for a fraction of the price of lithium and most folk do not know they can go to vehicle breaker yards also known as scrap yards and get vehicle batteries for a fraction of the cost of a new battery

and you may also save costs on other things such as cables and connectors switches lights fuses and more plus there could be other things and bargains to help save money for your homestead or mobile-home and-such

for example

where i live i can get second-hand 12v vehicle batteries anywhere from £10 ~ £40 each whereas one [1] new lead-acid battery starts at around £90 for a 60ah ~ 70ah wheres the higher the [ah] the higher the price

thereby if you purchase second-hand 12v vehicle batteries you would be saving them going in the landfill and saving lots of money

and

looking at the high and low price scale for 12v second-hand vehicle batteries

lets calculate costs for a single battery

if second-hand only last five [5] years you can weigh them in get a few bob back or could likely do a swap for a good second-hand battery from the breakers yards or scrap yards or even second-hand vehicle dealers

£40 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £160 v £4,000 a massive saving of £3,840

£10 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £40 v £4,000 a massive saving of £3,960

the batteries may last longer as i have seen some folk that claim they are still using their 12v vehicle lead-acid batteries nine [9] years on

£40 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £80 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,920

£10 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £20 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,980

lets calculate costs for a battery-bank of ten [10] batteries

£40 10x is equal to £400 v £10,000 a massive saving of £9,600

£10 10x is equal to £100 v £10,000 a massive saving of £9,900

£400 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £1,600 v £40,000 a massive saving of £38,400

£100 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £400 v £40,000 a massive saving of £39,600

£400 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £800 v £20,000 a massive saving of £19,200

£100 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £200 v £20,000 a massive saving of £19,800

lest calculate a new lower end lead-acid 60ah ~ 70ah battery at an average £90 each

£90 is equal to £1,000 a massive saving of £910

£90 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £360 v £4,000 a massive saving of £3,640

£90 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £180 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,820

lest calculate a new lower end [ah] lead-acid 60ah ~ 70ah battery at an average £90 each for a battery bank of ten [10]

£90 10x is equal to £900 v £10,000 a massive saving of £9,100

£900 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £3,600 v £40,000 a massive saving of £36,400

£900 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £1,800 v £20,000 a massive saving of £18,200

lets calculate a 240ah new leisure battery at average price of £390

£390 is equal to £390 v £1,000 a massive saving of £610

£390 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £1,560 v £4,000 a massive saving of £2,440

£390 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £780 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,220

lets calculate a 240ah new leisure battery at average price of £390 for a battery bank of ten [10]

£3,900 is equal to £3,900 v £10,000 a massive saving of £6,100

£3,900 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £15,600 v £40,000 a massive saving of £24,400

£3,900 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £7,800 v £20,000 a massive saving of £12,200

the costs will vary for area to area country to country thus this is only a guide based on my sources and first hand knowledge

also cheaper quicker more environmentally friendly to replace for most and makes connections with those in breakers yards or scrap yards or even second-hand vehicle dealers

for those in remote areas you may be able to purchase online on places like ebay and have them shipped to you

open for discussion

does this make sense to you or do you have a different point of view…??

p.s

if my calculations are off please correct me as i am not good with math

bona-fide

[gods-child]

food for thought

how much mining and slave labour does it take to produce one [1] yes one [1] lithium battery that costs £thousands…?? for a solar set-up

is it not time we re-valuate our values to see if we want to contribute or continue to contribute to slave-labour and the destruction of earth

compare that to the same for traditional lead-acid or gel batteries

12v lead-acid and gel batteries can also be purchased for a fraction of the price of lithium and most folk do not know they can go to vehicle breaker yards also known as scrap yards and get vehicle batteries for a fraction of the cost of a new battery

and you may also save costs on other things such as cables and connectors switches lights fuses and more plus there could be other things and bargains to help save money for your homestead or mobile-home and-such

for example

where i live i can get second-hand 12v vehicle batteries anywhere from £10 ~ £40 each whereas one [1] new lead-acid battery starts at around £90 for a 60ah ~ 70ah wheres the higher the [ah] the higher the price

thereby if you purchase second-hand 12v vehicle batteries you would be saving them going in the landfill and saving lots of money

and

looking at the high and low price scale for 12v second-hand vehicle batteries

lets calculate costs for a single battery

if second-hand only last five [5] years you can weigh them in get a few bob back or could likely do a swap for a good second-hand battery from the breakers yards or scrap yards or even second-hand vehicle dealers

£40 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £160 v £4,000 a massive saving of £3,840

£10 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £40 v £4,000 a massive saving of £3,960

the batteries may last longer as i have seen some folk that claim they are still using their 12v vehicle lead-acid batteries nine [9] years on

£40 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £80 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,920

£10 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £20 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,980

lets calculate costs for a battery-bank of ten [10] batteries

£40 10x is equal to £400 v £10,000 a massive saving of £9,600

£10 10x is equal to £100 v £10,000 a massive saving of £9,900

£400 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £1,600 v £40,000 a massive saving of £38,400

£100 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £400 v £40,000 a massive saving of £39,600

£400 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £800 v £20,000 a massive saving of £19,200

£100 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £200 v £20,000 a massive saving of £19,800

lest calculate a new lower end lead-acid 60ah ~ 70ah battery at an average £90 each

£90 is equal to £1,000 a massive saving of £910

£90 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £360 v £4,000 a massive saving of £3,640

£90 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £180 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,820

lest calculate a new lower end [ah] lead-acid 60ah ~ 70ah battery at an average £90 each for a battery bank of ten [10]

£90 10x is equal to £900 v £10,000 a massive saving of £9,100

£900 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £3,600 v £40,000 a massive saving of £36,400

£900 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £1,800 v £20,000 a massive saving of £18,200

lets calculate a 240ah new leisure battery at average price of £390

£390 is equal to £390 v £1,000 a massive saving of £610

£390 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £1,560 v £4,000 a massive saving of £2,440

£390 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £780 v £2,000 a massive saving of £1,220

lets calculate a 240ah new leisure battery at average price of £390 for a battery bank of ten [10]

£3,900 is equal to £3,900 v £10,000 a massive saving of £6,100

£3,900 4x over twenty [20] years is equal to £15,600 v £40,000 a massive saving of £24,400

£3,900 2x over twenty [20] years is equal to £7,800 v £20,000 a massive saving of £12,200

the costs will vary for area to area country to country thus this is only a guide based on my sources and first hand knowledge

also cheaper quicker more environmentally friendly to replace for most and makes connections with those in breakers yards or scrap yards or even second-hand vehicle dealers

for those in remote areas you may be able to purchase online on places like ebay and have them shipped to you

open for discussion

does this make sense to you or do you have a different point of view…??

sources:

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/02/01/south-america-s-lithium-fields-reveal-the-dark-side-of-our-electric-future

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893248/red-cobalt-congo-drc-mining-siddharth-kara

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/child-labour-behind-smart-phone-and-electric-car-batteries/

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/22/signs-of-forced-labor-found-in-chinas-ev-battery-supply-chain-report.html

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/03/child-labour-toxic-leaks-the-price-we-could-pay-for-a-greener-future

https://www.eenews.net/articles/u-s-shift-on-child-labor-may-scramble-ev-sector/

https://financialpost.com/commodities/mining/china-lithium-ion-batteries-child-labour-us-trade-war

p.s

if my calculations are off please correct me as i am not good with math

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[gods-child]

exactly as the trickle-charge act similar to a desulfator

i have an old battery on trickle-charge as we speak and been on charge since twenty-four [24] January

old school car battery chargers i find best especially the ones that have both 6v and 12v on them

always make sure to open up the filler caps to vent out and top up with deionised or distilled water as required

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[gods-child]

thank you

and yes and thank our true almighty creator for his timing

as one door opens many more will open too and all in our true almighty creators timing

the main problem getting allotments in my area and county is that those who organise the list of waitees are not managing it properly and the increased wait times are two [2] years to goodness knows when they contact a waitee to let them know a plot is available

i found by going to an allotment in the flesh and chatting to the allotmenteers i was able to jump the queue for instant on the day agreement for the plot

i truly bless this time and all who was able to help me get this plot by bending the rules to make it happen

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[gods-child]

interesting

i like the seasoning route

what about the peels…??

what can i do with the peels apart from composting them…??

[gods-child]

you are welcome 😃

check out his playlists on various different ways to harvest energy with air water and so-on

here is another one a combination of both wind and water…??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRQGa9XOTOI&list=PLbQqm4rNo626ocyMJv83s-Na-V_McMYb4&index=20

[gods-child]

here is a nineteen zero one 1901 water motor made some eleven months ago

it was originally made to power a singer sewing machine

very simple to make yet very effective to apply for what size motor suits your needs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jveOZ4a5Y0&list=PLbQqm4rNo626ocyMJv83s-Na-V_McMYb4&index=3

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[gods-child]

@HeidiRainCountry thank you for the quick reply

methinks a viable project to watch out for on your channel in the not too distant future 😉😉

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[gods-child]

have you looked into water-power or wind power…??

as you live in rain-country i am sure Mr Rain could make a water-mill style power generator and start a trend in rain-country

there is a channel on youtube that experiments with various ways for power including an earth-battery and much more and he has playlists for different types thereof see; https://www.youtube.com/@RobertMurraySmith

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[gods-child]

@JesusIsOurSaviour when you say quote “don’t slander my name” end-quote to whom are you referring to…??

slander (n.)

late 13c., sclaundre, “state of impaired reputation; disgrace or dishonor;” c. 1300, “a false tale or report spread maliciously; the fabrication and dissemination of false tales to discredit someone,” from Anglo-French esclaundre, Old French esclandre “scandalous statement,” alteration (“with interloping l” [Century Dictionary]) of escandle, escandre “scandal,” from Latin scandalum “cause of offense, stumbling block, temptation” (see scandal).

It is attested from mid-14c. as “action or situation that brings shame or disgrace;” late 14c. as “a bad situation, evil action” and in reference to a person causing such a state of affairs.

for your information

folk can read and make their own minds on what every member has typed in this thread and can make their own minds up on each of us

that said those that are right with our true almighty father mother have nothing to fear or worry about, nor do they make themselves look guilty of anything that they percieve themselves not to be guilty thereof

[gods-child]

leisure batteries come in

lead-acid

agm

gel

and new technologies according to https://advancedbatterysupplies.co.uk/blog/2016/02/leisure-battery-information/

[gods-child]

quote “(low but still there) explosive risk of lead acid and space. They just take up twice the space and weight.” end-quote

at least when a lead-acid battery explodes they do not catch on fire like the lithium batteries do and all you need is water to neutralise the already weakened by deionised-water and battery-acid solution

as for 12v car/van/leisure batteries they are significantly smaller and lighter than the lithium batteries

[gods-child]

quote “Lithims have to be kept warm to charge them, and you have to think about possiblity of fire” end-quote

therein lays the problems for me apart from the expense, as you said $100 per KWH with these risks are a no-no a big juicy no-no for me

for me less risk of fire suits me my family and neighbours and fire-department

less risk of fire does-not suit hospital or funeral-parlor or morgue

still factoring in the cost of battery-acid and routine maintenance and desulfator is far less risk of fire and far economical and more financially viable for most folk in my humble opinion

desulfator UK made selling on ebay £20 and change

hydrometer £4

25L Battery-acid £85 and change

free-will and good-luck for those who know the risks of fire associated with lithium-batteries and want to put themselves and others at harms way, not to mention property damage and loss, which would add to more costs either medical funeral or replacement costs thereof

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