“The Great Awaking or The Great Falling Away”

  • “The Great Awaking or The Great Falling Away”

    Posted by KramitDreams on July 12, 2023 at 12:35 pm

    We keep hearing about this great awaking..”people are waking up” ⏰ but I keep thinking 🤔 this is a lie. Yes, there will be an awaking DURING the tribulation that Israel will come to the Lord(and loose their life doing it) but before that day… the Lord returns to gather his children. In 2 thessalonians 2:3 “Let no man deceive you by any means for that day SHALL NOT COME UNTIL THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST and that the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition”. We also know according to Matthew 24 things have to be terrible and many will be deceived before his coming. We also know that since covid church attendance is WAY down many have not returned. Are people still be saved?…yes but is their a “Great Awaking”?.

    I went this past weekend to help my mom drop my neice of at a CHRISTIAN church camp. We were standing in line for registration when I noticedthis guy going around with two digital thermometers scanning all the kids forehead. I turned to my mom and said “mom, they are not scanning my head” she said ” they won’t, they are just scanning the kids and Brooke I just don’t care anymore” (My parents have been thru a lot loosing my brother only a yr ago, my dad diagnosed with cancer and trying to raise my brother’s child so go easy on the comments please ,I know they are just weary) I said well you should care bc this is the futurescanning foreheads and not being let in” no they didn’tscan my head but it doesn’t really make sense to allow a mile line of parents standing their not scanning their heads but only the kids if you were really worriedabout sickness…I don’t know I tend to lean on the Great falling away of many who knew the truth but believe lies. Being Deceived or so tired they just don’t care anymore ….so the question 🤔

    IS THERE A Great AWAKING or a Great FALLING AWAY?

    CoachHeidi replied 7 months ago 7 Members · 14 Replies
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  • RebelFarm

    Member
    July 12, 2023 at 3:12 pm

    Seams this church has fallen away, don’t have the decrement to know when things are deceiving them out of fear!

    • KramitDreams

      Member
      July 12, 2023 at 3:29 pm

      That’s the conclusion I’m coming to as well.🙏🏼

  • CarolinaCarefree

    Member
    July 12, 2023 at 4:13 pm

    Let me first say I’m with you, but we left our congregation for two reasons mainly. The first was I felt the Lord leading us away from our co congregation. This is hard to explain but I felt like Abraham. God said go and I said where to. God’s answer was I will tell you when I’m ready. This was prior (just months) to covid. While doing this I have been saddened by what I have seen in ‘churches’ (of multiple denominations in this area. I’ve seen pastor ‘tickling ears’ in order to line their own pockets, to one pastor (at a place I felt could be where the Lord wanted me) stating ‘if we want to compete with another church then we must do such and such. To me the body of Christ should work together and not run it as a competition, to others done right out preaching everything but the Word of God. All that to say, no we have not landed where the Lord wants us yet, but I promise I may have left a congregation but I have not left the Lord. Do I suggest anyone leave, NO! Unless led by the Lord. Do I recommend everyone to do what I have, NO. For we should not forsake the fellowship. Unless the Lord leads. All that to say, don’t be quick to judge all those of us that have ‘fallen away. Some of us are on a learning lesson and am being taught by the Great Teacher. While on the other hand don’t think all are falling the Lord, many have fallen and we should morn and pray for them. May the Lord come quickly. The main thing is trust God and you will never lose, even through the hard times. Sorry for the long rant.

    • Papamike

      Member
      August 3, 2023 at 3:02 pm

      The word says “don’t forsake the fellowship” so I don’t believe that he would tell anyone to do just that. We may indeed move from one to another, but being lonely wolves is not part of the design. How would you defend a separation when it seems to go against scripture?

      • CarolinaCarefree

        Member
        August 3, 2023 at 5:14 pm

        I’m sorry if I was not clear on forsaking the fellowand are worse ship. I am not a lone wolf. I still fellowship with a lot of brothers and sisters. Some of which have also been led to seek other fellowship. We are to sharpen each other. What I meant was that some ‘in fellowship’ should be ‘left alone’ as they are but wolves in sheep’s clothing. And this may include the entire congregation. So if your church is opposed to God’s true words, the (for lack of better terms) forsake the fellowship. Find other true Christians that can support you. But chose this only at God’s lead. Don’t let my earthly words sway. If you are considering leaving a fellowship, PRAY, and PRAY HARD! This is not a light choice. It took me about a year prior to making mine and I had no more questions of the leadership to do this. I have been both blessed and busted at this. There are some at my old congregation that I am still friends with and some that I am still friendly to (as I try not to ‘unfriend’ anyone, but simple not fellowship with them). Some have said I was.stupid to do this but I have had the opportunity to preach at some places I would not have if I was still sitting in the same pew. Jesus sent the twelve out on occasion, and our church’s still send missionaries. This is my personal missionary journey. And I have found other churches that are ‘preaching the Jesus that Paul preaches’ and are not in a personal relationship with Christ. And that is what fellowship is all about relationship. Without the fellowship with Christ, our fellowship with each other is nothing more that of the pagan or Satan worshipper next door. So yes we can leave a congregation or not fellowship with some and still retain our fellowship with Christ. I hope this helped clarify things.

  • EvW

    Member
    July 12, 2023 at 4:59 pm

    The rapture doctrine is of fairly recent origin. A large number of saints on the church calendar are remembered because of the massive persecution under Emperor Diocletian, who feared Christians would support his rival Constantine.

    Jesus made it pretty clear that we are to expect persecution and still be faithful witnesses. He also said, “When the Son of Man returns, will He find faith on earth?”

    • KramitDreams

      Member
      July 12, 2023 at 5:43 pm

      Thanks for your opinion, It is not a recent doctrine. It go back to God’s words. That we are not appointed unto wath. Yes, no one escape this life without suffering. When you read the missing books the 1611 it talks about the prophecy. ” for as I continue in my understanding woe unto them that shall be left in those days and much more woe unto them that are not left behind for they that were not left were in heaviness Now understand I the things that are laid up in the latter days which shall happen unto them and to those that are left behind” Esdras chapter 8 :18 – The holy Bible 1611 KJV It is the oldest Bible we have without going back to hebrew all these new translations have removed prophecy and the power we been given like fasting in prayer. It has created division and different views of the end. And who is the Author of confusion, well that would be satan himself. I pray the Lord show you 🙏🏼

      • Papamike

        Member
        August 3, 2023 at 3:05 pm

        I’m not familiar with these non-biblical sources. Do you interpret them to be Holy Scripture?

      • KramitDreams

        Member
        August 3, 2023 at 3:56 pm

        It is out of the King’s James bible. 1611 so yes it would be God’s words that were taken out by the catholic church. Who demanded them unworthy. The kings James of the 1600s is older than 2023. It’s like today how they want to remove “he, man, women, ect and put they ,them, ect..” to fit the current culture. There’s nothing new under the sun and history always repeats itself bc we don’t learn from it. Esdras was a prophet around the time Jeremiah and Daniel but alot of people don’t know him bc it’s not taught in modern-day Churches.

  • EvW

    Member
    July 12, 2023 at 7:48 pm

    Thank you. I think the rapture, in its present form, dates from the early 1800s. (John Darby and the Plymouth Brethren) Are you quoting from the book of Ezra, or from first and second Esdras? Ezra 8:18 talks about the learned men God provided to help out Ezra and Nehemiah.

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  • EvW

    Member
    July 12, 2023 at 7:52 pm

    When Esdras talks about “those left behind,” does he mean after the rapture, or those Jews who were not carried off to Babylon to captivity? Or the Jews who did not return with him to rebuild the temple?

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    • KramitDreams

      Member
      August 3, 2023 at 4:44 pm

      Well rapture is not in the Bible it is just the even that will take place. “Those left behind” is about exactly what it talks about those left behind. We don’t have to over complicate things. People go too Pharisee on things. The Bible lots of things like “watch and pray you are found worthy to escape”, “we are not appointed to wrath”, “and ” to wait for his son Jesus who delivers us from the Wrath to come”. Prophecy is spoken about in the Bible before it happens just like from genesis to revelation Jesus was spoken of before he was born. ” and I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed it shall bruise and thou shall bruise his heel”-gensis From the beginning Jesus was there.

  • Louisiana

    Member
    July 29, 2023 at 11:39 pm

    Apostle Paul Warned us. By the Time 1776 came. There were many sects of Christianity in the Colonies The Founders decided to make it legal to worship God anyway you want. <b style=”background-color: var(–bb-content-background-color); font-family: inherit; font-size: inherit; color: var(–bb-body-text-color);”>2 Corinthians 11:3-4

    King James Version

    <sup>3 </sup>But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

    <sup>4 </sup>For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

    Galatians 1:6-9

    King James Version

    <sup>6 </sup>I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

    <sup>7 </sup>Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

    <sup>8 </sup>But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    <sup>9 </sup>As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

  • CoachHeidi

    Member
    August 3, 2023 at 8:50 pm

    If you want clear explanation of where the rapture of the Saints before the tribulation comes from then take a look at the FAI studios app. They go through the full history and biblical texts! There is much much Info there… Eye opening for sure

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