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another thing to consider (and I got this during the Epic Tomato live, online course with Craig Lehouiller & Joe Lamp’l) is, shade cloth percentages can be cumulative. So if you say have a 30% and a 50% and put them on top of each other, you have approx 80%. Perhaps a bit of extra work, but could come in handy such as when initially hardening off. Two layers of 30% (one large cloth doubled over or whatever) gives 60% shade, remove one a few days later and it’s only 30%, then remove both for 0%. Or have 80, 50, 30 then zero, just depends on the need and how much work you wish to do changing them.
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just one place, but any greenhouse / high tunnel / caterpillar tunnel suppler should have it.
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Just a side note since one of the possible problems could be aphid born disease,
Remember, beans and cowpeas (purple hull peas) are legumes. They work with Bacteria (as mentioned with the suggestions of inoculants) to put nitrogen into the soil. We really shouldn’t need to fertilize with nitrogen,
indeed, having too much nitrogen (what we add + what the plants/bacteria try to add) can end up with a significant excess of nitrogen. One way nature my try to remedy this is… aphids.
They are not -the- problem, but possibly an indication or symptom of a problem, which they are trying to fix by attempting to make use of the excess (unfortunately in the process, spreading disease.)
I’m not saying this is the problem you are experiencing, as there has been no mention of aphids, but saw it as an opportunity to insert a possibly linked issue. So often we see a symptom, as a disease, going all medieval on the symptom, but leaving or even exacerbating the underlying root cause. We do this in gardens, our bodies, and even relationships sometimes.
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Here’s an article with several possibilities, and probably one really good option, is contact your county extension agent. See if she, or he will come out, see the situation in person and Insitu. You already pay for them via taxes and it is their job. They should be willing to help gardeners, not just big farmers.
https://savvygardening.com/green-bean-leaves-turning-yellow/
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Any chance of pictures of the leaves? Sometimes where on the leaf the yellow is, can be additional information.
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My first thoughts are:
Did you do a soil test, if so what was the results?
What was growing in that spot last year? (existing garden bed, lawn etc?) and how did it do?How was the ground prepped, for this crop?
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Completely different tasks. leaf rake for raking leaves, and Compost fork for turning compost.
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I would like to interject a possibility here, for those that end up with significant Alge or inches of “sludge” in the system.
Perhaps, it has less to do with light than with “nutrient load”Alge is alive, it needs to eat. If there is little or no food, no amount of light will produce significant populations of Alge.
Start at the roof (material is less important than many think, but not completely irrelevant) and determine how many places material such as leaves, dust, etc there are (if any) to remove it prior to arriving in the tank.
One of the below leaf diverters in line between the gutter downspout and the tank (preferably at a level you can easily and often walk by and check if it needs to be cleaned off) has two screens, one to stop leaves and larger bits, and one to trap much smaller material) as well as a 1mm-ish where the water drops into the tank (as well as ANY place bugs or other critters might possibly be able to access the innards of the tank) should suffice.
Keep the nutrient load low, and there should not be alge. There will (and should) be a biofilm on the inside surfaces of the tank, and at the air/water interface, and yes there should be a small sludge layer at the bottom. These are normal, these are good, and these are layers of organisms that trap and possibly eat those nutrients or heavy metals thereby cleaning the water. Just make sure not to pull the water out right at the bottom (sucking in sludge), keep it about 4 inches above the bottom, and not pulling from a location that would suck in that very top biofilm layer. Those layers, if tested, SHOULD have higher levels of the icky stuff, which means they are working to keep them out of the water column you draw from.
Oh, and dumping chemicals in to kill stuff, disrupts this. If you’re needing chemicals.. something else is wrong upstream in the system.
Annual cleaning, should not be needed either.
For those wishing more than just my say so, I’ll put a reply to this reply with sources.
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Look up Dewitt Commercial. Stuff from WallyWorld and other big box stores is just useless.
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MemberApril 6, 2023 at 2:05 am in reply to: How can I find groups local to me? Where do I look on the sites new to appWhere in the ozarks, they cover a fair bit of territory.
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I didn’t notice her ever saying she was a pilot.
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Just remember when lining a bed, or putting something like landscaping fabric at the bottom to “keep weeds from coming up”.. the thing that prevents weeds from coming up, also keeps roots from going down (and is a pain to pull out later). It really restricts what you can grow successfully in the bed as the roots cannot continue down to find water and make friends with the soil microbiology get nutrients, otherwise you are forced to do more of the “feeding”(fertilize). Just a thought.