The attack on food…

  • The attack on food…

    Posted by Grumpy_G on September 2, 2022 at 1:55 pm

    I am not here to talk about all the not suspicious food processing plant fires we are supposed to ignore. I’m not here to talk about how Big Ag is buying up the future of farming by using what are essentially reverse mortgage loans to suck up small family farms. I’m not even here to talk about how the USDA is using armed US Marshalls to close down Amish dairies. I’m here to talk about your Farmer’s Market, and more, and how our ability to sell and procure food is under attack.

    This was finally going to be the year we started selling items at the farmers market. After going to several meetings for different markets, we came to a conclusion. The State (as in the bureaucracy to handles the day to day affairs of the government) is attacking food production at a very local level. The rules and regulations that people must abide by swerve in to onerous territory. I understand the desire to ensure people aren’t out there selling unsafe products. Some of the rules we encountered make do little to nothing to ensure that, and some are counter productive.

    Take for example selling freeze dried food at one market. It could not be sold in Mylar bags, and had to be in cellophane. That defeats the whole purpose of freeze drying the food for long term storage, because you can’t gt an air tight seal and the food is exposed to light. Of course, we have to assume that is the point. They do not want to make it easy for people to purchase food for long term storage. Or the rule that if you grew certain vegetables in a green house, it had to be certified by the state. I’m not an expert, by a long shot; how does growing a vegetable in an open garden make such a difference that the State must insert itself in to your business if you grow the same vegetable in a greenhouse. That’s a rhetorical question, so don’t bombard me with responses to it. The point is, the State, in my opinion has no business being that deeply involved in the matter. Some would say,”…or at all”.

    Finally, let’s talk about chickens. You may have actually heard of this one. There was talk when the Avian Flu thing was in the news about the way the state was going to handle it. The plan, as far as it was reported, was that if an outbreak happened, they were going to cull all the flocks within a 5 mile radius. I’ve been pretty tolerant, thus far. This would have been one line too many for the state to cross. SOE makes a t-shirt with a chicken on it that reads, “From my cold, dead hands.” I get it and understand it.

    As I type this, I can;t help but think that this would be good content for our YT channel. I may grab Yoda, sit down and start filming. Thing is that if we are going to black pill everyone, we need provide a white pill to counter act it’s effects. I know how I feel about the matter; I’d like to hear what you have to say. How do we answer the question “What do we do about it?”

    HoneysGarden replied 6 months, 2 weeks ago 10 Members · 21 Replies
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  • AiNt-RiTe-Acres

    September 2, 2022 at 2:50 pm

    Politicians never make a single law without a loophole for them or their friends. Sometimes we have to play their games in order to have a win.

    I heard of a farmer who couldn’t sell his fresh eggs without them being cleaned, sorted and FDA stamped. His work around… there was no law saying that he couldn’t rent or sell an egg carton and fill it for free.

    In many places you cannot sell processed meats. You can however sell a live animal and offer a free processing class if theres no law against it.

    My suggestion on the freeze dried foods would be to sell the food but offer a free complimentary vacuum bag they can seal themselves or with your assistance right there on the spot.

    Politicians rarely break the rules they write they merely go around them. It’s been a thorn in the side of freedom lovers for decades. So why not return the thorn?!

  • Unknown Member

    September 2, 2022 at 4:14 pm

    Well G, I totally understand. This is why I do what I do now.

    The need for protein will require lab meat, bug protein, or my solution…plant protein. Most meats perceived as having high solutions for protein are not even absorbed well…with the highest being from fertilized eggs. Since eggs will be an issue, freeze dried eggs to last forever or water glazing will help when they come for the girls. The protein in many plants such as Moringa or Katuk and more, are considered super foods, and I know you know this yourself, as we are the same, but I hope it helps someone.

    There will be the rfid requirement in the coming of time, due to a ff (not real banner: nrb) on food, so the sharing will not even be allowed. The internet of things (iot)…may be a thing to look into. This tracking will make it a sin to be generous. Each must learn and grow what they can and learn what many call weeds, to obtain real nutrition. Grow things people do not commonly know, so it is no big deal. Balance it, because just veggies, or just fruit, or just tubers will not do it, when you are not accustomed to it…face it, we are spoiled. Know that when you do not eat your cells actually consume the bad cells, and create healthy new cells, regenerating your body. This starts around 24 hours and peaks at 48, but if you have not done it before or think the nutrition they advise is correct, then it may be difficult or you may be fearful…fear NOT! This is true for water too. People intentionally go for days without water, as it takes the fat storages, which house toxins, and breaks them down for water. Also, the break down of food creates water…something most have no idea about. So, a great deal of intentional learning to reprogram your brain to resilience is important.

    We will know what to do when the time comes, but those great ideas presented now, would be then known by those 87,000 with powers…the new SS.

    In the meantime, CSAs with people paying to learn about food, or just donating to support and each week they can pick up some fresh items, is a way around that. You may just be talking about whatever on youtube and they support you, your gift is your bounty shared with them, not necessarily contingent upon anything.

    Just some ideas.

    • Grumpy_G

      Community Leader
      September 2, 2022 at 4:37 pm

      Each must learn and grow what they can and learn what many call weeds, to obtain real nutrition.

      That right there is a whole other world and worthy of discussion by itself, Deb. We have dabbled in it and are just now learning in earnest about the food that is literally under our feet.

  • Toni

    September 2, 2022 at 6:00 pm

    Only have a few minutes (and could type easily for an hour on this topic) but I want to point out here why understanding the issue of jurisdiction and knowing ones rights makes all the difference. The truth is that ‘they’ have no legal jurisdiction in men and women engaging in free trade between themselves under the jurisdiction of the Land. What they do have some limited valid authority over is commerce, which many consider the same as trade, but legally it is entirely different. Commerce happens in the jurisdiction of the Sea. Trade happens in the jurisdiction of the land. Completely different animals.

    Their greatest advantage is that they know this. And for the most part, we do not.

    The solution lies in educating ourselves and learning how to ‘hold the line’ as Tag would say. Don’t give an inch.

    More later.

    • Toni

      September 2, 2022 at 6:02 pm

      Forgot to add –

      “My people perish for lack of knowledge”

      Education is key.

      • Unknown Member

        September 2, 2022 at 9:36 pm

        Perfect Toni!!!!

  • CD_Gray

    September 2, 2022 at 6:15 pm

    I don’t have a white pill for you because I’m just not that into rainbows and unicorns. The best I can do is give you a Gray pill (see what I did there?).

    I don’t know if the Gray pill is optimistic, pessimistic, or even realistic, but it’s what I’m doing, come what may.

    My interpretation of “Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s” extends beyond taxes to emcompass the entirety of fiat currency. I consider all Federal Reserve bank notes “theirs,” and “they” will make whatever ridiculous rules “they” choose regarding “their” notes, and there isn’t much that you’re going to do to change it. So what can you do? Avoid playing their game with their monopoly money as much as possible.

    My solution came to me by thinking long-term. If I can’t make it out of “the matrix,” can I at least set the conditions to ensure that my grandchildren are born free?

    I think I can. How? Sacrifice. I’m closing in on 20 years of military service (1 out of 5 stars, would not recommend) which will allow me to retire at 38 years old making close to $2k per month…for life.

    My plan for those bank/government notes? Trade some of them back to the banks and government in exchange for being left alone (mortgage and property taxes), and invest the rest to take advantage of the magic of compound interest to ensure that by the time my retirement checks stop rolling in (at which time, God-willing my grandkids will be in their 30’s), there will be enough ones and zeros in a trust-controlled account to cover property taxes for as long as there’s a government left to collect them. By my math, no property taxes + permaculture = freedom.

    I can’t speak with authority regarding homesteading since I’m not doing it yet, but it stands to reason that growing/producing/raising enough for one family and trading/giving away the surplus will be much simpler than needing to grow/produce/raise (much less jump through the arbitrary government hoops required to legally sell) a surplus or risk losing your land.

    I couldn’t be more thankful to all of the homesteaders here that take the time to teach the rest of us via YT, but when I get my land, there isn’t a snowball’s chance in Syria that you’ll catch me talking to a camera about it! No, no, and nope! For me, off the grid means off the grid. God bless each and every one of you, but if I’m on YT after retirement, It’ll be to watch one of you teach me something!

    • Unknown Member

      September 2, 2022 at 9:38 pm

      Thank you for your service first of all! And awesome…you are right for sure! I will be learning too!

  • Grumpy_G

    Community Leader
    September 6, 2022 at 10:47 am

    We just found one food processing plant that probably has ZERO chance of burning down. From Totally Vegan Buzz:

    Justin Trudeau just invested $100 million into plant-based food –

    But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
    1 Timothy 5:8

    • HoneysGarden

      September 6, 2022 at 6:11 pm

      Here’s another one: Aspire Food Group’s new plant in London, Ontario is ready to begin producing up to 9000 metric tons of crickets annually for human and pet consumption . . . any over/under on how long they stay in business? ‘Cause I dang sure ain’t eatin’ bugs!

  • JerseyGiantChick

    September 13, 2022 at 8:24 am

    Over here the world is just fine, nothing wrong or going on. New aldi and lidl are renewed and opening, looking full and with good prices so it seems.

    I am just a crazy chicken lady, doing grocery for a big family and children summe camp so that is ok. Husband complains about buying 1 or 2 extra, and asks every time do we not have that? I just say did we not eaten that, pantry grows slowly. And doesn’t see the prepping I do, because that would be crazy. They will take care of us, do not worry.

    From the start I known what could happen with all the modern technology, that is why I still work with old machines. Also with no power, just krank it yourself.

    It is terrible to see all the attacks and just a few that are aware, makes you thinks who are the crazy ones. ButI keep on playing my role of the crazy chicken lady who follows the way to go.

    • Grumpy_G

      Community Leader
      September 13, 2022 at 1:11 pm

      ButI keep on playing my role of the crazy chicken lady who follows the way to go.

      You run with it girl!!!

    • Grumpy_G

      Community Leader
      September 13, 2022 at 1:14 pm

      In all seriousness, there is just enough normalcy out there that people can delude themselves in to thinking “it’s not THAT bad”. There will come a day though when they look around and will go “Hey, what happened?!?” You know what the difference is between those people and the people that are talking about it and doing something now? That “Hey, what happened?!?” moment happened to us a long time ago.

      • JerseyGiantChick

        September 13, 2022 at 2:32 pm

        Grumpy It is how you describe, but I and so all of us crazy folks want to be prepared. For me personally let it not come to far until my husband says, ow my now what are we going to do.

        As a mother I have the responsibility that we become a meal each time. No matter if it is my husband that brings the food home or not. I truly hope the day does not come, that he is going to say I was right and not grazy after all. Sure not going to let our son be hungry, also not his parents to stay strong to be there for him.

        Although it hurts do not show it and cry alone for no one to see but only God, they can call me all they want. But do not show at our home or us, they will be composed and be hurtful but fast. Weapons are not aloud here, but can do without. With bare hands if necessary, just take a look at history. It were the farmers and native people that were the true warriors.

        I live and play by the laws, but let us pray a lawless time will not come.

        Beside we have a project to accomplish and leave all behind for our son and the next generations to come.

      • linolive

        September 14, 2022 at 12:44 pm

        JerseyGiantChick, I will pray for you and your husband. It must be so hard not to be on the same page. There is a terrible famine coming, and you are wise to put away whatever food extra you can. I live in NJ too, and like you said, things seem normal right now. That can change in an instant. When that happens it will be like Black Friday at Walmart, but instead of $100 TVs they’ll be fighting over the food.

      • JerseyGiantChick

        September 14, 2022 at 7:23 pm

        Linolive thank you so mutch, I pray for you and your loved ones.

        Can not even imagine how that black friday over food will be, for sure my husband is not going shopping.

        What makes it hard and I can not understand, is that the parents from my husband (thank God they do not have to go true these harsh times) lurned from the war. And told stories how hard it was and alle they had to do, to get food on the table. And they promised to never let that hapen to their childres.

        Such a sweet family but realy German, they had no choice and were forced in to all that was wrong. I lost most my family, thank God I was born. No stories from the side I do not have to explain, but one story from a brother from my father, that our family did so mutch resistance and become a gratitude letter from the Royal family from UK and Netherlands.

        I always remeber euch year all fallen ones, still it is a risk to openly show so I do not. But we all have Hebrew names with a fitful meaning. It is amazing how stupid people can be and yes it should hurt, hating what they do not see and recoqnce ore understand.

        So glad I found my way to here.

  • JerseyGiantChick

    September 15, 2022 at 5:39 am

    Filling my husband presses freeze dried coffee glasses with rice, beans And so. Maybe it is more visible than for a man?

  • Stoutlander

    September 16, 2022 at 8:09 pm

    When I hear talk like this, I think back to how it was when I was growing up. For reference, I am 59.

    Some folks had small farms. They often had some cows. My Grandfather would sell quarters, halves, or whole cows after butchering. We usually butchered 2 cows every fall and a few pigs. We also cut up our own deer. Nearly every farm did this. Nearly every hunter used to cut up their own deer. Today I know many people that have cows. I know of no one that butchers their own cows or deer near where I live. I have talked to some folks that have cattle about stocking up on food or general preparing. They think that they are OK because they have beef on the hoof yet they have nothing in place to butcher or store the meat.

    I guess my point is that maybe if some folks got together with a nearby farmer and are willing to throw in for setting up a way to butcher as many did years ago that it may be in all parties best interests.

    Just thinking out loud.

    • Grumpy_G

      Community Leader
      September 16, 2022 at 9:12 pm

      I guess my point is that maybe if some folks got together with a nearby farmer and are willing to throw in for setting up a way to butcher as many did years ago that it may be in all parties best interests.

      This is why Billy Bond, from Perma Pasture Farm, does his butchering classes. He thinks as many people as possible need to be at least conversant in butchering various animals. Hopefully, next spring he’ll be able to hold the week long “Butcher Fest” at SOE, in Camden TN.

  • Marthale7

    September 16, 2022 at 9:10 pm

    My wake up call for the war on food came with a book ->

    See attached pic.

    After reading this book I cam to realize that the big guys can destroy the small guys just by adding small rules that cost the small guy to be in the game, thus zero competition for the big guys. This happens over and over again.

    Futher, I became aware of a movie called “Farmagedon”

    Full movie here with adds ->

    With this movie I realized the Fed gov has an agenda to destroy those who do not OBEY their rules. Now, I am all about safe food, if someone get sick and it is found to be food, then changes have to be made, but the war on the Amish, and the freedom of the small guy is very real.

    We are now in Russia, and to trade you will now be using the black market to get food, good food. I support the right for closed coops if they want raw milk to drink. If people want to not use a USDA facility to process meat they should be left alone. Sadly those in the Fed gov do not leave peaceful farmers who produce clean good food alone.

  • HoneysGarden

    September 16, 2022 at 9:26 pm

    I had the dubious privilege of working for a local game processing house for about six months. (I say dubious, because I ended up going to court and getting a judgment for back pay!) But I learned a lot; we have a local game farm, so in addition to literally hundreds of deer, we had buffalo, water buffalo and watusi come in. We’d hang them, gut and skin, quarter, and process. I don’t know where people go now – the owner passed away, the city ended up managing the estate, and much of it has been torn down. Local beef processors can’t handle wild game without shutting down completely and sanitizing their facility before returning to beef processing, so they don’t do it. I would think there’d be a real opportunity for someone with a better head for business than he had!